1 00:00:07,360 --> 00:00:36,520 [Music] 2 00:00:42,350 --> 00:00:40,100 hello hello everybody how you doing this 3 00:00:45,529 --> 00:00:42,360 is Ryan burns here at the hyper 4 00:00:48,500 --> 00:00:45,539 anomalous esoteric research organization 5 00:00:52,819 --> 00:00:48,510 podcast known to all of you as hero 6 00:00:56,689 --> 00:00:52,829 paranormal we look for the individuals 7 00:01:00,500 --> 00:00:56,699 with the best interests the most 8 00:01:05,030 --> 00:01:00,510 augmented donations to the field through 9 00:01:07,640 --> 00:01:05,040 either proximity of research or what 10 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:07,650 they have going on currently and this 11 00:01:13,460 --> 00:01:09,930 particular individual who we have on the 12 00:01:16,399 --> 00:01:13,470 podcast tonight is he's a rock star he's 13 00:01:19,490 --> 00:01:16,409 awesome he's a resident of Rio Rancho 14 00:01:22,340 --> 00:01:19,500 New Mexico he's the director of civilian 15 00:01:26,390 --> 00:01:22,350 intelligence news service not only that 16 00:01:28,300 --> 00:01:26,400 he is somebody who's helped me in the 17 00:01:32,780 --> 00:01:28,310 past whether he knows it or not he 18 00:01:35,170 --> 00:01:32,790 manages UFO news area 51 dreamland and 19 00:01:40,930 --> 00:01:35,180 that's how he's helped me 20 00:01:43,000 --> 00:01:40,940 and he also has a YouTube channel if you 21 00:01:44,480 --> 00:01:43,010 don't know who I'm talking about yet you 22 00:01:49,460 --> 00:01:44,490 will see you know 23 00:01:52,340 --> 00:01:49,470 we're talking about Norio Hayakawa truly 24 00:01:55,450 --> 00:01:52,350 one of the most honest researchers in 25 00:01:58,190 --> 00:01:55,460 the field calls it like it is and 26 00:02:01,340 --> 00:01:58,200 doesn't sugarcoat anything his honesty 27 00:02:03,770 --> 00:02:01,350 is actually very refreshing so I can't 28 00:02:05,930 --> 00:02:03,780 wait to hit him with all kinds of 29 00:02:10,309 --> 00:02:05,940 questions I know he's gonna have answers 30 00:02:14,120 --> 00:02:10,319 too and before we get to that we have to 31 00:02:16,970 --> 00:02:14,130 mention my own shameless self-promotion 32 00:02:18,979 --> 00:02:16,980 I guess and the promotion of the podcast 33 00:02:22,940 --> 00:02:18,989 because it's important to me to keep it 34 00:02:25,790 --> 00:02:22,950 going and carve away time and try to do 35 00:02:28,420 --> 00:02:25,800 so in a way that keeps up with the pace 36 00:02:32,509 --> 00:02:28,430 of the fields that we're following which 37 00:02:34,070 --> 00:02:32,519 lately is pretty quick and if you 38 00:02:37,790 --> 00:02:34,080 haven't had a chance to go to hero 39 00:02:39,350 --> 00:02:37,800 paranormal comm check it out buy a hat 40 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:39,360 buy a t-shirt don't be scared of the 41 00:02:44,210 --> 00:02:41,250 donate button it helps more than you'll 42 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:44,220 ever know whether it's a buck 5 bucks 10 43 00:02:52,220 --> 00:02:46,410 bucks you have the option to do a 44 00:02:54,530 --> 00:02:52,230 recurring or a one-time and also check 45 00:02:56,270 --> 00:02:54,540 out our research project and I say bar 46 00:02:58,130 --> 00:02:56,280 because it's really me but I have 47 00:03:03,170 --> 00:02:58,140 caretakers there on-site and security 48 00:03:06,500 --> 00:03:03,180 full-time and that's not cheap and it is 49 00:03:09,199 --> 00:03:06,510 space wolf research comp located in this 50 00:03:12,860 --> 00:03:09,209 shapeshifter corridor of the UN a basin 51 00:03:14,850 --> 00:03:12,870 of Utah we are doing our best to seek 52 00:03:20,130 --> 00:03:14,860 and find 53 00:03:25,260 --> 00:03:20,140 the true reason for the anomalies in the 54 00:03:28,740 --> 00:03:25,270 area and there's a bunch of them it is 55 00:03:30,210 --> 00:03:28,750 been pretty eye-opening so far so check 56 00:03:32,760 --> 00:03:30,220 that out that also has a donate button 57 00:03:35,010 --> 00:03:32,770 throw a buck or two there it would help 58 00:03:40,470 --> 00:03:35,020 more than you could ever imagine as well 59 00:03:43,680 --> 00:03:40,480 back to norio he is a mastermind of this 60 00:03:45,240 --> 00:03:43,690 genre and he's been so helpful to me in 61 00:03:50,450 --> 00:03:45,250 the past when I've been asking questions 62 00:03:54,240 --> 00:03:50,460 about area 51 dreamland and the likes 63 00:03:56,400 --> 00:03:54,250 extremely knowledgeable extremely honest 64 00:03:58,920 --> 00:03:56,410 and just an all-around good guy can't 65 00:04:03,030 --> 00:03:58,930 wait to get to it so buckle up pour a 66 00:04:07,800 --> 00:04:03,040 cup and it's gonna be a heck of a ride 67 00:04:10,740 --> 00:04:07,810 with Norio so here we go noria welcome 68 00:04:13,710 --> 00:04:10,750 to the hyper anomalous esoteric research 69 00:04:17,880 --> 00:04:13,720 organization podcast my man thank you so 70 00:04:21,380 --> 00:04:17,890 much I'm glad to be talking with you 71 00:04:24,510 --> 00:04:21,390 today you know I I have to commend you 72 00:04:28,380 --> 00:04:24,520 because you are one of the most honest 73 00:04:31,080 --> 00:04:28,390 so often this field is absolutely 74 00:04:36,530 --> 00:04:31,090 cluttered with for a lack of a better 75 00:04:40,140 --> 00:04:36,540 word a lot of BS and what I found is you 76 00:04:43,860 --> 00:04:40,150 navigate that pretty well you call BS on 77 00:04:46,830 --> 00:04:43,870 the things that are not real or relevant 78 00:04:49,560 --> 00:04:46,840 which is 90% of it and you focus on the 79 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:49,570 10% and I really wanted to thank you for 80 00:04:57,900 --> 00:04:52,690 that oh thank you very much for your 81 00:05:03,150 --> 00:04:57,910 kind words and because I am definitely 82 00:05:06,810 --> 00:05:03,160 interested in bringing out reason and 83 00:05:11,120 --> 00:05:06,820 logic when we talk about things that we 84 00:05:15,690 --> 00:05:11,130 don't know much about and that's why 85 00:05:19,560 --> 00:05:15,700 I've always maintained my position as a 86 00:05:21,870 --> 00:05:19,570 neutral person as far as you know things 87 00:05:27,800 --> 00:05:21,880 are concerned and so I've been doing 88 00:05:36,530 --> 00:05:32,320 and in particular the so-called 89 00:05:39,140 --> 00:05:36,540 unidentified aerial phenomenon which is 90 00:05:43,940 --> 00:05:39,150 UAP which is a much much better word 91 00:05:48,650 --> 00:05:43,950 than ufos or UFO phenomenon but 92 00:05:52,750 --> 00:05:48,660 basically you ap or unidentified aerial 93 00:05:55,580 --> 00:05:52,760 phenomena I believe is a real phenomenon 94 00:05:58,820 --> 00:05:55,590 no question about it I've been studying 95 00:06:00,860 --> 00:05:58,830 this for close to sixty years already 96 00:06:05,690 --> 00:06:00,870 year you know I began this whole thing 97 00:06:09,770 --> 00:06:05,700 in 1961 so you know Ryan are they doing 98 00:06:11,960 --> 00:06:09,780 this and I have seen things I mean I'm 99 00:06:15,680 --> 00:06:11,970 talking about you know things that 100 00:06:20,330 --> 00:06:15,690 happened in the UFO community and all 101 00:06:24,950 --> 00:06:20,340 this things associated with this weird 102 00:06:26,690 --> 00:06:24,960 field of study I know you have and 103 00:06:28,940 --> 00:06:26,700 you've actually helped me in the past 104 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:28,950 whether you're aware of it or not you've 105 00:06:36,350 --> 00:06:33,930 actually really I know that you manage a 106 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:36,360 lot of different websites and YouTube 107 00:06:38,900 --> 00:06:38,010 channels and things of that nature and 108 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:38,910 Dreamland 109 00:06:45,380 --> 00:06:41,370 has been an extremely helpful resource 110 00:06:48,830 --> 00:06:45,390 to me living here in Nevada and it's 111 00:06:52,610 --> 00:06:48,840 been a great great help in addition I 112 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:52,620 think that your your insight I mean with 113 00:06:58,940 --> 00:06:56,010 nearly 60 years in the field the UFO 114 00:07:05,170 --> 00:06:58,950 community oftentimes gets pretty muddled 115 00:07:08,140 --> 00:07:05,180 as far as what they consider reality and 116 00:07:11,080 --> 00:07:08,150 and that's to be expected in some 117 00:07:12,860 --> 00:07:11,090 organizations or communities that are 118 00:07:14,900 --> 00:07:12,870 interested in something that's not 119 00:07:18,350 --> 00:07:14,910 supposed to exist or the society is 120 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:18,360 completely tossed to the side or it 121 00:07:24,320 --> 00:07:20,130 believes is irrelevant when in reality 122 00:07:26,900 --> 00:07:24,330 it may be the most important question or 123 00:07:28,760 --> 00:07:26,910 phenomenon that we have to deal with but 124 00:07:33,080 --> 00:07:28,770 I think you do so from a very realistic 125 00:07:37,150 --> 00:07:33,090 standpoint and talking of the unknown I 126 00:07:41,270 --> 00:07:37,160 agree with you that UAP is a lot better 127 00:07:44,150 --> 00:07:41,280 word than UFO can you kind of tell 128 00:07:48,260 --> 00:07:44,160 our listeners the reasons behind that 129 00:07:51,440 --> 00:07:48,270 and in your experience why that is a 130 00:07:56,020 --> 00:07:51,450 more acceptable term 131 00:07:59,000 --> 00:07:56,030 well basically rightly the term UFO 132 00:08:03,440 --> 00:07:59,010 which was coined by the United States 133 00:08:09,800 --> 00:08:03,450 Air Force many many years ago has become 134 00:08:15,610 --> 00:08:09,810 the standard term but has terrible 135 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:15,620 terrible misunderstanding because 136 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:18,770 unidentified flying object is a good 137 00:08:30,590 --> 00:08:25,290 interesting term but in already it 138 00:08:33,290 --> 00:08:30,600 already assumed that these things are 139 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:33,300 flying and it's already assumed that 140 00:08:39,820 --> 00:08:35,610 we're talking about solid physical 141 00:08:44,690 --> 00:08:39,830 objects so these both of these things 142 00:08:49,700 --> 00:08:44,700 like flying and object are terrible 143 00:08:53,690 --> 00:08:49,710 choice of words but you know we have 144 00:08:57,710 --> 00:08:53,700 been using UFOs as a term to describe 145 00:09:01,820 --> 00:08:57,720 this phenomenon but in actuality I would 146 00:09:05,540 --> 00:09:01,830 rather prefer to use ufp or unidentified 147 00:09:09,440 --> 00:09:05,550 aerial phenomenon as opposed to UFO 148 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:09,450 phenomena because UFO already connotes 149 00:09:18,160 --> 00:09:14,450 that whatever we have been seeing are 150 00:09:22,579 --> 00:09:18,170 definitely flying in the sense that 151 00:09:28,480 --> 00:09:22,589 we're talking about flying through some 152 00:09:31,370 --> 00:09:28,490 kind of propulsion system and also I 153 00:09:34,640 --> 00:09:31,380 hate the use of the word object because 154 00:09:39,820 --> 00:09:34,650 we have known yet determine whether they 155 00:09:44,680 --> 00:09:39,830 are objects or not and so this reason I 156 00:09:48,200 --> 00:09:44,690 highly commend dr. Jack LaLanne who 157 00:09:51,079 --> 00:09:48,210 stated many years ago and he has not 158 00:09:55,510 --> 00:09:51,089 changed his position dr. Jack LaLanne 159 00:09:58,570 --> 00:09:55,520 would who I considered one of the most 160 00:10:03,590 --> 00:09:58,580 reliable authorities on this phenomenon 161 00:10:07,190 --> 00:10:03,600 he said that UFOs may not actually be 162 00:10:10,449 --> 00:10:07,200 flying nor could they be objects so that 163 00:10:16,160 --> 00:10:10,459 is one possibility so this is the reason 164 00:10:18,620 --> 00:10:16,170 that I like the word UAV unidentified 165 00:10:21,880 --> 00:10:18,630 aerial phenomena rather than UFOs 166 00:10:24,829 --> 00:10:21,890 because you levels immediately connotes 167 00:10:29,270 --> 00:10:24,839 some kind of a spacecraft from outer 168 00:10:32,600 --> 00:10:29,280 space and that's me almost 99% of the 169 00:10:35,750 --> 00:10:32,610 connotation of the word UFO that is 170 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:35,760 associated with something from outer 171 00:10:43,370 --> 00:10:40,970 space like spacecraft from outer space 172 00:10:48,010 --> 00:10:43,380 extraterrestrial so this is very limited 173 00:10:53,710 --> 00:10:48,020 term and you know for this reason I 174 00:10:57,699 --> 00:10:53,720 commend the recent United States Navy's 175 00:11:02,860 --> 00:10:57,709 collections of the word 176 00:11:07,069 --> 00:11:02,870 UFOs they the US Navy talking about the 177 00:11:11,329 --> 00:11:07,079 so called tick-tack UFOs and you know 178 00:11:14,810 --> 00:11:11,339 pilot Craver and you know the decided 179 00:11:21,050 --> 00:11:14,820 you know in 2004 different incidents and 180 00:11:25,790 --> 00:11:21,060 so on the US Navy recently changed the 181 00:11:28,730 --> 00:11:25,800 terminology to UAP unidentified aerial 182 00:11:33,650 --> 00:11:28,740 phenomena rather than using the word UFO 183 00:11:37,400 --> 00:11:33,660 which I commanded I agree with you on 184 00:11:40,730 --> 00:11:37,410 all counts norio and I I can't 185 00:11:44,390 --> 00:11:40,740 I agree more with you as far as Jacques 186 00:11:45,230 --> 00:11:44,400 Vallee you know he I mean talk about a 187 00:11:48,079 --> 00:11:45,240 class act 188 00:11:52,370 --> 00:11:48,089 I had the blessing to meet him earlier 189 00:11:53,920 --> 00:11:52,380 in life and almost immediately he you 190 00:11:57,770 --> 00:11:53,930 know started sending me Christmas cards 191 00:12:01,400 --> 00:11:57,780 he he is exactly what he seems he is 192 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:01,410 sincere he's a very that yeah very kind 193 00:12:06,890 --> 00:12:04,410 soul very I mean I haven't met a shaman 194 00:12:07,550 --> 00:12:06,900 or yoga instructor her even a religious 195 00:12:10,730 --> 00:12:07,560 authority 196 00:12:15,290 --> 00:12:10,740 that has exude 'add that kind of 197 00:12:16,910 --> 00:12:15,300 sincerity and he he's definitely his 198 00:12:19,810 --> 00:12:16,920 efforts in the field are very 199 00:12:22,700 --> 00:12:19,820 appreciated and I agree with you that 200 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:22,710 for some reason in the 50s and 60s this 201 00:12:28,490 --> 00:12:26,730 whole spacecraft UFO I don't know what 202 00:12:31,850 --> 00:12:28,500 to call it it's almost like a whole 203 00:12:37,519 --> 00:12:31,860 genre of its own took on a whole life of 204 00:12:40,370 --> 00:12:37,529 its own and the UAP phenomena is 205 00:12:42,950 --> 00:12:40,380 completely different than that because 206 00:12:47,210 --> 00:12:42,960 we're not necessarily talking about 207 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:47,220 something that fits in our spectrum or 208 00:12:55,370 --> 00:12:49,970 that we can put in a box I really I 209 00:12:57,590 --> 00:12:55,380 really like that you have mentioned you 210 00:13:03,320 --> 00:12:57,600 know art is this a pair of physical 211 00:13:05,530 --> 00:13:03,330 extra dimensional entity and we yeah 212 00:13:09,680 --> 00:13:05,540 could you go into a little bit of that 213 00:13:14,770 --> 00:13:09,690 well the reason I began using the word 214 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:14,780 pair of physical is because to me 215 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:17,850 there's no question that this phenomenon 216 00:13:25,910 --> 00:13:21,290 exists but I have come to the conclusion 217 00:13:33,290 --> 00:13:25,920 many years ago that we may be dealing 218 00:13:37,300 --> 00:13:33,300 with a phenomenon that may be intruding 219 00:13:40,490 --> 00:13:37,310 into our physical dimension from another 220 00:13:45,170 --> 00:13:40,500 dimension in other words I'm a firm 221 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:45,180 believer actually since around the 1978 222 00:13:52,250 --> 00:13:49,170 when I began to devolve books why you 223 00:13:53,780 --> 00:13:52,260 know dr. Alaine and even the people like 224 00:13:59,120 --> 00:13:53,790 John Aquino 225 00:14:04,250 --> 00:13:59,130 with another great researchers and in 226 00:14:09,260 --> 00:14:04,260 the late seventies jung-ae who began 227 00:14:12,970 --> 00:14:09,270 espousing the theory that we may not be 228 00:14:15,550 --> 00:14:12,980 talking necessarily about physical 229 00:14:18,050 --> 00:14:15,560 extraterrestrial phenomenon but rather 230 00:14:21,650 --> 00:14:18,060 some kind of 231 00:14:23,450 --> 00:14:21,660 but intuitive extra dimensional 232 00:14:32,350 --> 00:14:23,460 phenomenon including 233 00:14:37,180 --> 00:14:32,360 it were physical dimension and these the 234 00:14:40,250 --> 00:14:37,190 perpetrators of this phenomenon are 235 00:14:43,850 --> 00:14:40,260 appears to be sentient in other words 236 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:43,860 they have a feeling or they know what's 237 00:14:56,110 --> 00:14:48,930 good or bad and so I am a believer that 238 00:14:59,470 --> 00:14:56,120 there are probably in this wide cosmos 239 00:15:08,180 --> 00:14:59,480 many many many countless number of 240 00:15:14,230 --> 00:15:08,190 sentient extraterrestrial para physical 241 00:15:19,340 --> 00:15:14,240 entities that have the ability to 242 00:15:25,400 --> 00:15:19,350 temporarily intrude into a physical 243 00:15:29,600 --> 00:15:25,410 dimension and appearing to the observers 244 00:15:34,100 --> 00:15:29,610 as a hundred percent physical phenomenon 245 00:15:37,280 --> 00:15:34,110 to the observer and what I have been 246 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:37,290 saying especially in the last few years 247 00:15:47,570 --> 00:15:42,650 is that this phenomenon seemed to select 248 00:15:53,390 --> 00:15:47,580 in advance its özil of this phenomenon 249 00:15:56,840 --> 00:15:53,400 and you know I get a lot of influence 250 00:16:02,000 --> 00:15:56,850 from dr. Jack LaLanne in this regard but 251 00:16:06,650 --> 00:16:02,010 it's my contention that a hundred 252 00:16:14,050 --> 00:16:06,660 percent physical object will be very 253 00:16:18,800 --> 00:16:14,060 very difficult to maintain its shape as 254 00:16:22,220 --> 00:16:18,810 the object travels or even entities 255 00:16:26,030 --> 00:16:22,230 travel at the speed of light for many 256 00:16:30,900 --> 00:16:26,040 many years without drastically changing 257 00:16:34,170 --> 00:16:30,910 its appearance and you know the 258 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:34,180 and so this is the reason why I came to 259 00:16:41,750 --> 00:16:37,690 the conclusion that somehow these 260 00:16:45,210 --> 00:16:41,760 sentient entities have the potential to 261 00:16:49,610 --> 00:16:45,220 suddenly materialize and that's the key 262 00:16:54,090 --> 00:16:49,620 word I have seen a lot of footages of 263 00:16:57,350 --> 00:16:54,100 so-called UFO phenomenon but and then I 264 00:17:03,210 --> 00:16:57,360 have you know talked to so many people 265 00:17:07,620 --> 00:17:03,220 but basic characteristic is that this 266 00:17:11,760 --> 00:17:07,630 phenomenon does not seem to be able to 267 00:17:15,530 --> 00:17:11,770 survive in our physical act of fear or 268 00:17:20,670 --> 00:17:15,540 physical dimension except for a few 269 00:17:24,950 --> 00:17:20,680 minutes or few seconds at a time and but 270 00:17:31,500 --> 00:17:24,960 yet they seem to have the power to 271 00:17:41,340 --> 00:17:31,510 affect our you know for example radar 272 00:17:43,940 --> 00:17:41,350 and they seem to chemically mean some 273 00:17:47,690 --> 00:17:43,950 kind of a residue temporarily 274 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:47,700 but you know it's a media life 275 00:17:58,980 --> 00:17:54,250 speculation but I have been considering 276 00:18:03,540 --> 00:17:58,990 this because I have seen lots of things 277 00:18:07,110 --> 00:18:03,550 I mean as far as talking to so many 278 00:18:10,410 --> 00:18:07,120 people and as you know Ryan I live in 279 00:18:13,940 --> 00:18:10,420 the state of New Mexico and I live in 280 00:18:17,910 --> 00:18:13,950 outside of Albuquerque and Rio Rancho 281 00:18:21,000 --> 00:18:17,920 which is only about three hour drive 282 00:18:24,870 --> 00:18:21,010 from another interesting place in New 283 00:18:28,290 --> 00:18:24,880 Mexico called the Dulce area the Hickory 284 00:18:30,420 --> 00:18:28,300 Apache reservation and I have actually 285 00:18:35,150 --> 00:18:30,430 talked to so many folks over there in an 286 00:18:41,010 --> 00:18:35,160 Indian Reservation who have told me all 287 00:18:44,880 --> 00:18:41,020 strange experiences they had yet there 288 00:18:48,110 --> 00:18:44,890 is no evidence whatsoever 289 00:18:50,220 --> 00:18:48,120 that there's any kind of physical 290 00:18:52,950 --> 00:18:50,230 extraterrestrial off the ground base in 291 00:18:58,230 --> 00:18:52,960 Dulce New Mexico and this this applies 292 00:19:01,020 --> 00:18:58,240 to all other topics we're talking about 293 00:19:08,730 --> 00:19:01,030 this anomalous that we can't get rolled 294 00:19:12,720 --> 00:19:08,740 off so far and you know so what else can 295 00:19:16,740 --> 00:19:12,730 I say you know uh it's a it's a fact 296 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:16,750 it's an amazing set of it but yet so 297 00:19:31,230 --> 00:19:24,090 many people are deceived by con artists 298 00:19:36,539 --> 00:19:31,240 hoaxsters who claim unsubstantiated 299 00:19:39,980 --> 00:19:36,549 claims of things that relevant to this 300 00:19:44,970 --> 00:19:39,990 phenomena and create their own 301 00:19:47,750 --> 00:19:44,980 ridiculous stories and you know that's 302 00:19:50,430 --> 00:19:47,760 the whole problem in contemporary 303 00:19:55,289 --> 00:19:50,440 contemporary ecology as far as I'm 304 00:19:59,760 --> 00:19:55,299 concerned there's a you know people talk 305 00:20:02,700 --> 00:19:59,770 about area 51 and all that stuff but you 306 00:20:07,680 --> 00:20:02,710 know there's absolutely no physical 307 00:20:11,880 --> 00:20:07,690 evidence whatsoever or even documentary 308 00:20:14,820 --> 00:20:11,890 evidence whatsoever that area 51 is or 309 00:20:18,270 --> 00:20:14,830 have ever been associated with aliens or 310 00:20:22,230 --> 00:20:18,280 alien technology it's just it's all talk 311 00:20:25,770 --> 00:20:22,240 and the no solid evidence but yet in 312 00:20:29,789 --> 00:20:25,780 this field there are many many con 313 00:20:33,870 --> 00:20:29,799 artists who deceive people and profit 314 00:20:40,080 --> 00:20:33,880 from people's gullibility in believing 315 00:20:44,820 --> 00:20:40,090 in you know alien related things 316 00:20:45,710 --> 00:20:44,830 concerns the area 51 and even Rob's 317 00:20:48,950 --> 00:20:45,720 world 318 00:20:52,860 --> 00:20:48,960 don't say New Mexico you name it all 319 00:20:55,740 --> 00:20:52,870 these places are interesting and there 320 00:20:58,080 --> 00:20:55,750 are important in many sense in fact I am 321 00:21:02,990 --> 00:20:58,090 a firm believer in important 322 00:21:08,370 --> 00:21:03,000 area 51 as United States for most vital 323 00:21:12,450 --> 00:21:08,380 military research development and 324 00:21:13,350 --> 00:21:12,460 testing area for national defense no 325 00:21:16,650 --> 00:21:13,360 question about it 326 00:21:19,430 --> 00:21:16,660 but along comes you know all of the 327 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:19,440 garbage that has nothing to do with this 328 00:21:27,360 --> 00:21:24,850 this authority and so but you know 329 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:27,370 unfortunately there are many many people 330 00:21:33,630 --> 00:21:30,610 who make a profit out of people to go do 331 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:33,640 things you know Bob Lazar and listen 332 00:21:42,510 --> 00:21:39,250 that not all this this crap see and so 333 00:21:44,580 --> 00:21:42,520 that's pretty the authentic research on 334 00:21:47,130 --> 00:21:44,590 this phenomena which is real the 335 00:21:51,210 --> 00:21:47,140 phenomenon itself is real no question 336 00:21:52,320 --> 00:21:51,220 about it but you can go from one extreme 337 00:21:58,470 --> 00:21:52,330 to the other 338 00:22:00,480 --> 00:21:58,480 now I know I knew actually gentleman by 339 00:22:07,730 --> 00:22:00,490 the name of William Cooper or bill 340 00:22:12,360 --> 00:22:07,740 Cooper for many years and Bill Cooper 341 00:22:15,900 --> 00:22:12,370 started his career in ethology by 342 00:22:20,370 --> 00:22:15,910 proclaiming that he had seen things and 343 00:22:23,580 --> 00:22:20,380 he had information that the government 344 00:22:26,820 --> 00:22:23,590 has been keeping the Flying Saucer 345 00:22:29,970 --> 00:22:26,830 technology secret and all that blah blah 346 00:22:33,570 --> 00:22:29,980 blah and he went on for a few years but 347 00:22:37,770 --> 00:22:33,580 I give credit to Bill Cooper because he 348 00:22:40,950 --> 00:22:37,780 admitted later on that what he was given 349 00:22:45,090 --> 00:22:40,960 the information was probably this 350 00:22:48,420 --> 00:22:45,100 information and so he admitted that he 351 00:22:51,690 --> 00:22:48,430 was wrong and that but on the other hand 352 00:22:57,650 --> 00:22:51,700 he went to the other extreme and started 353 00:23:02,730 --> 00:22:57,660 saying that that there are no you know 354 00:23:07,350 --> 00:23:02,740 into flying saucers and so on which is 355 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:07,360 true in a sense but you know he has to I 356 00:23:11,869 --> 00:23:11,410 wish he knew that the other explanation 357 00:23:14,299 --> 00:23:11,879 for the 358 00:23:16,789 --> 00:23:14,309 dominant and that that's the actual 359 00:23:19,609 --> 00:23:16,799 dimensionality of this manometer which 360 00:23:24,279 --> 00:23:19,619 he unfortunately didn't talk about all 361 00:23:28,609 --> 00:23:24,289 he talked was nothing both ufology and 362 00:23:32,959 --> 00:23:28,619 so but we can't blame 363 00:23:35,659 --> 00:23:32,969 William Cooper for what he said he was 364 00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:35,669 affected by a lot of other comp artists 365 00:23:46,939 --> 00:23:41,369 who who you know talk about crazy stuff 366 00:23:49,729 --> 00:23:46,949 and he he just combined all the things 367 00:23:52,399 --> 00:23:49,739 that he learned from people like John 368 00:23:55,479 --> 00:23:52,409 Maxwell and you know many other 369 00:23:58,819 --> 00:23:55,489 researchers and he combined everything 370 00:24:01,309 --> 00:23:58,829 methodically and cleverly and he 371 00:24:02,959 --> 00:24:01,319 produced a book called the beholder 372 00:24:06,439 --> 00:24:02,969 pinholes which was an interesting book 373 00:24:11,599 --> 00:24:06,449 but you know towards the end of this 374 00:24:14,689 --> 00:24:11,609 career he definitely began to admit that 375 00:24:19,459 --> 00:24:14,699 many of the things he'd been saying 376 00:24:22,430 --> 00:24:19,469 was probably not true I I commend him 377 00:24:27,829 --> 00:24:22,440 for that but unfortunately he passed 378 00:24:31,789 --> 00:24:27,839 away due to you know the disaster is 379 00:24:37,279 --> 00:24:31,799 accurate incident that took his life due 380 00:24:40,159 --> 00:24:37,289 to mainly to his own oh I couldn't agree 381 00:24:44,539 --> 00:24:40,169 with you more and and I I love Bill for 382 00:24:48,079 --> 00:24:44,549 all the reasons you said he was Bill 383 00:24:51,829 --> 00:24:48,089 bill was built bill was definitely at 384 00:24:53,379 --> 00:24:51,839 that his book was amazing and it was an 385 00:24:57,439 --> 00:24:53,389 international 386 00:25:00,529 --> 00:24:57,449 blockbuster however it was unfortunate 387 00:25:02,779 --> 00:25:00,539 that I think that Bill's own seeds that 388 00:25:07,699 --> 00:25:02,789 he planted were the cause of his demise 389 00:25:11,539 --> 00:25:07,709 and unlike many self-promoting people I 390 00:25:16,249 --> 00:25:11,549 think bill had altruistic goals however 391 00:25:21,319 --> 00:25:16,259 he was like you said skewed by others 392 00:25:24,229 --> 00:25:21,329 who didn't didn't take this this this 393 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:24,239 thing as seriously as you do or you know 394 00:25:29,870 --> 00:25:25,770 they promote 395 00:25:32,060 --> 00:25:29,880 the ET hypothesis with origins of you 396 00:25:35,740 --> 00:25:32,070 know that are just wacky and I think the 397 00:25:38,090 --> 00:25:35,750 actual physical you know a 398 00:25:39,710 --> 00:25:38,100 extraterrestrial spacecraft piloted and 399 00:25:41,539 --> 00:25:39,720 you that you've mentioned you know 400 00:25:43,909 --> 00:25:41,549 there's a lot of people that try and 401 00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:43,919 this is kind of a human condition norio 402 00:25:48,620 --> 00:25:46,770 like we're looking at something we don't 403 00:25:52,820 --> 00:25:48,630 understand and we're trying to put it in 404 00:25:57,019 --> 00:25:52,830 human boxes and I I really believe that 405 00:26:02,060 --> 00:25:57,029 you know these lights these you ApS 406 00:26:07,450 --> 00:26:02,070 these para physical entities they people 407 00:26:10,430 --> 00:26:07,460 tend to pollute this with humanism and 408 00:26:12,820 --> 00:26:10,440 Jacques Vallee yourself and many others 409 00:26:17,870 --> 00:26:12,830 will not that many I wish there was more 410 00:26:21,139 --> 00:26:17,880 have cut through the muck and seen a 411 00:26:25,370 --> 00:26:21,149 more clear path of where this reality 412 00:26:29,210 --> 00:26:25,380 really is it's I I think like minds are 413 00:26:31,250 --> 00:26:29,220 often drawn together much like the 414 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:31,260 phenomena attracts the observer like you 415 00:26:41,450 --> 00:26:37,770 mentioned and it it's interesting that 416 00:26:45,950 --> 00:26:41,460 these lights in the sky these pair of 417 00:26:50,169 --> 00:26:45,960 physical dimensional entities are able 418 00:26:52,850 --> 00:26:50,179 to manipulate space-time and I think 419 00:26:53,630 --> 00:26:52,860 every when I have seen them I'm much 420 00:26:56,539 --> 00:26:53,640 like yourself 421 00:26:59,659 --> 00:26:56,549 i I I have this feeling that everything 422 00:27:03,740 --> 00:26:59,669 makes sense when I see them but like you 423 00:27:05,630 --> 00:27:03,750 said it's so short and it's not it's 424 00:27:08,840 --> 00:27:05,640 like gold through your fingers it's gone 425 00:27:12,049 --> 00:27:08,850 before you can actually pinpoint it 426 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:12,059 anchor it and throw a human box around 427 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:15,450 it because it's para physical it is not 428 00:27:21,500 --> 00:27:18,289 physical it may not be nuts and bolts I 429 00:27:24,430 --> 00:27:21,510 believe that there is a concerted effort 430 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:24,440 among humanity to try to weaponize this 431 00:27:30,399 --> 00:27:27,090 reverse engineer this whatever you want 432 00:27:34,430 --> 00:27:30,409 to call it because that's what we do we 433 00:27:37,070 --> 00:27:34,440 we try to do that and the humanism is 434 00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:37,080 what's ruining the phenomenon and I 435 00:27:43,280 --> 00:27:39,170 really believe that 436 00:27:48,290 --> 00:27:43,290 these historically would have been known 437 00:27:50,930 --> 00:27:48,300 as the Watchers or the calculators they 438 00:27:54,740 --> 00:27:50,940 can manipulate space and time I think 439 00:27:58,550 --> 00:27:54,750 they're sentient celestial intelligences 440 00:28:02,420 --> 00:27:58,560 and I love your word para physical 441 00:28:05,900 --> 00:28:02,430 because that that's just so dead on it's 442 00:28:07,430 --> 00:28:05,910 just so dead on and I think that you're 443 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:07,440 right maybe what we're seeing is just 444 00:28:15,950 --> 00:28:12,930 the trace energies left by them you know 445 00:28:18,860 --> 00:28:15,960 uh yeah thank you for you you know I 446 00:28:22,100 --> 00:28:18,870 worked about my choice of the word para 447 00:28:24,670 --> 00:28:22,110 physical because for a long time I was 448 00:28:29,420 --> 00:28:24,680 thinking of using word paranormal but I 449 00:28:33,980 --> 00:28:29,430 I told myself that you know the word 450 00:28:37,940 --> 00:28:33,990 paranormal has a very very weird 451 00:28:41,540 --> 00:28:37,950 you know really weird connotations among 452 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:41,550 a lot of people and so that's why I 453 00:28:48,440 --> 00:28:44,210 chose the word para tentacles because 454 00:28:51,410 --> 00:28:48,450 it's what it is because we're talking 455 00:28:54,860 --> 00:28:51,420 about instant materialization and 456 00:29:02,150 --> 00:28:54,870 instant almost instant dematerialization 457 00:29:05,660 --> 00:29:02,160 and you know many times these objects 458 00:29:11,750 --> 00:29:05,670 were the predominant that appears to be 459 00:29:17,990 --> 00:29:11,760 object seem to fly away at unbelievable 460 00:29:23,720 --> 00:29:18,000 speed but to me it is just a show to 461 00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:23,730 deceive us and no way is it possible to 462 00:29:31,130 --> 00:29:28,260 produce that kind of a scenario to any 463 00:29:35,140 --> 00:29:31,140 kind of propulsion system because what 464 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:35,150 it is is absolute dematerialization and 465 00:29:45,790 --> 00:29:38,730 material nation and so this is something 466 00:29:50,570 --> 00:29:45,800 that interests me and you know right now 467 00:29:53,260 --> 00:29:50,580 many people are talking about well I'm 468 00:29:56,300 --> 00:29:53,270 glad that this whole 469 00:29:58,580 --> 00:29:56,310 nonsense about storming area 51 has 470 00:30:00,290 --> 00:29:58,590 finished already because that was one of 471 00:30:08,480 --> 00:30:00,300 the most ridiculous things that were 472 00:30:12,710 --> 00:30:08,490 hurt and you know in actuality there are 473 00:30:15,230 --> 00:30:12,720 people that take advantage of the 474 00:30:21,650 --> 00:30:15,240 gullibility will speak other people and 475 00:30:23,870 --> 00:30:21,660 you know I for example I have always 476 00:30:28,010 --> 00:30:23,880 been interested in bomb bizarre stories 477 00:30:31,010 --> 00:30:28,020 but in the end there's nothing to show 478 00:30:37,370 --> 00:30:31,020 there's nothing to show for it bubbles 479 00:30:40,700 --> 00:30:37,380 us or anybody yet you know people who 480 00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:40,710 promote the bubble of those stories keep 481 00:30:52,580 --> 00:30:45,930 promoting him and so I believe that all 482 00:30:59,500 --> 00:30:52,590 these things is relative to making Fame 483 00:31:02,230 --> 00:30:59,510 and actually profit through the use of 484 00:31:07,030 --> 00:31:02,240 unsubstantiated stories in the claims 485 00:31:11,150 --> 00:31:07,040 and so it's a dangerous thing in a way 486 00:31:13,730 --> 00:31:11,160 because look at the recent you know as I 487 00:31:18,730 --> 00:31:13,740 told you about the event called stone 488 00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:22,760 actually which was a total loss 489 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:25,170 you know it was a total disaster in the 490 00:31:33,530 --> 00:31:29,330 sense that the Lincoln County spent 491 00:31:41,300 --> 00:31:33,540 thousands and thousands of dollars to 492 00:31:47,380 --> 00:31:41,310 prepare for that crazy event and you 493 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:47,390 know it became of the money became the 494 00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:50,490 center of contention and there's still 495 00:31:58,580 --> 00:31:54,780 talk of Lincoln County suing the 496 00:32:03,260 --> 00:31:58,590 promoters of this storm area 51 imagine 497 00:32:04,430 --> 00:32:03,270 Roberts and so on and so this is just a 498 00:32:08,690 --> 00:32:04,440 weird 499 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:08,700 thing but it shows that today is that it 500 00:32:15,470 --> 00:32:11,970 states especially in America there's a 501 00:32:21,740 --> 00:32:15,480 cult of the alien it's almost like a 502 00:32:25,750 --> 00:32:21,750 religion and so I call this movement the 503 00:32:29,540 --> 00:32:25,760 cult of the alien and look at all those 504 00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:29,550 crazy folks who came to Rachel Nevada 505 00:32:39,710 --> 00:32:36,000 home last month dressed up in alien 506 00:32:44,750 --> 00:32:39,720 costumes and all these things and you 507 00:32:47,030 --> 00:32:44,760 know they were expecting thousands and 508 00:32:49,610 --> 00:32:47,040 thousands or even tens of thousands of 509 00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:49,620 people but yet only about 3,000 people 510 00:32:53,030 --> 00:32:52,170 at most showed up and in for the total 511 00:32:59,120 --> 00:32:53,040 disaster 512 00:33:02,240 --> 00:32:59,130 five actually fall or even even you know 513 00:33:05,740 --> 00:33:02,250 business like little alien which lost a 514 00:33:12,590 --> 00:33:05,750 lot of money through their own fault for 515 00:33:16,310 --> 00:33:12,600 accommodating to this crazy festival or 516 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:16,320 so Mary fits in one idea and the storm 517 00:33:24,770 --> 00:33:21,090 area51 idea came from the continuous 518 00:33:27,530 --> 00:33:24,780 beliefs that area 51 had something to do 519 00:33:30,860 --> 00:33:27,540 with aliens and that the government is 520 00:33:33,710 --> 00:33:30,870 you know keeping aliens off the jugular 521 00:33:37,310 --> 00:33:33,720 and you know this kind of a concept came 522 00:33:40,940 --> 00:33:37,320 from unsubstantiated story told by 523 00:33:46,730 --> 00:33:40,950 people like Bob Lazar and even promoted 524 00:33:53,330 --> 00:33:46,740 by what I call debonair raconteur which 525 00:33:58,970 --> 00:33:53,340 means that a dashing skill storyteller 526 00:34:01,220 --> 00:33:58,980 debonair raccoon turner is a very it's a 527 00:34:04,700 --> 00:34:01,230 good word that describes somebody who 528 00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:04,710 can tell good stories and look 529 00:34:16,460 --> 00:34:08,490 believable but you know it's just story 530 00:34:18,290 --> 00:34:16,470 and so I I kind of possibly blame the 531 00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:18,300 bob lazar story 532 00:34:24,889 --> 00:34:22,530 and it had a deep impact on some people 533 00:34:26,750 --> 00:34:24,899 that started to stone the area 51 534 00:34:30,770 --> 00:34:26,760 movement because of they were 535 00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:30,780 brainwashed about this you know that 536 00:34:33,380 --> 00:34:32,610 there are aliens that there isn't one 537 00:34:38,750 --> 00:34:33,390 and so on 538 00:34:44,510 --> 00:34:38,760 so there are people who Lucia be blamed 539 00:34:48,139 --> 00:34:44,520 for bringing up this nonsensical belief 540 00:34:50,810 --> 00:34:48,149 in aliens and the physical aliens that 541 00:34:56,480 --> 00:34:50,820 are roaming our earth right now this 542 00:34:58,970 --> 00:34:56,490 kind of stuff so to me this is all 543 00:35:01,850 --> 00:34:58,980 ridiculous but this does not mean that 544 00:35:04,580 --> 00:35:01,860 the UFO phenomenon does not exist in 545 00:35:07,070 --> 00:35:04,590 fact as I told you over and over I'm a 546 00:35:10,970 --> 00:35:07,080 firm believer in the reality of the UFO 547 00:35:13,420 --> 00:35:10,980 phenomena but you hope and Amna must not 548 00:35:16,070 --> 00:35:13,430 necessarily being associated with 549 00:35:18,430 --> 00:35:16,080 extraterrestrial visible visitation at 550 00:35:20,990 --> 00:35:18,440 all there's no proof of that 551 00:35:24,320 --> 00:35:21,000 so this is the reason why I agree 552 00:35:28,510 --> 00:35:24,330 totally with and naturally and John 553 00:35:32,830 --> 00:35:28,520 thank you and this is still unknown 554 00:35:36,170 --> 00:35:32,840 phenomena that we are perplexed with and 555 00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:36,180 probably have existed since time 556 00:35:42,050 --> 00:35:38,370 immemorial it's not just a modern thing 557 00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:42,060 from time immemorial people have been 558 00:35:47,810 --> 00:35:43,650 kings and strange things in the sky 559 00:35:50,690 --> 00:35:47,820 quite often and we still don't have any 560 00:35:53,570 --> 00:35:50,700 explanation for it and anybody that said 561 00:35:57,970 --> 00:35:53,580 that they have the answer such as will 562 00:36:02,600 --> 00:35:57,980 be visited by alien it did totally 563 00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:02,610 reality absolutely there's there's a lot 564 00:36:13,280 --> 00:36:06,810 with the area 51 event it is almost as 565 00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:13,290 convoluted and murky as the entire UFO 566 00:36:20,210 --> 00:36:17,280 culture and the science surrounding it 567 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:20,220 because from the human perspective I 568 00:36:25,940 --> 00:36:23,850 think we have a lot of powerful forces 569 00:36:29,360 --> 00:36:25,950 whether they be human or mostly 570 00:36:32,359 --> 00:36:29,370 otherwise and it's difficult because 571 00:36:34,430 --> 00:36:32,369 this and I don't want to call it 572 00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:34,440 normal because as you said norio this 573 00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:36,690 has a horrible connotation attached to 574 00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:39,210 it I've I have attached it to the name 575 00:36:44,329 --> 00:36:41,249 of my podcast and and and my because 576 00:36:47,690 --> 00:36:44,339 it's it used to be okay and now if 577 00:36:50,049 --> 00:36:47,700 there's so many so many attachments have 578 00:36:54,380 --> 00:36:50,059 gathered around it that are negatively 579 00:36:56,180 --> 00:36:54,390 connotated much like the UFO word that 580 00:36:59,109 --> 00:36:56,190 there's a point where you just want to 581 00:37:03,650 --> 00:36:59,119 shed that skin and grab something new in 582 00:37:05,630 --> 00:37:03,660 that trek towards the truth and I 583 00:37:07,640 --> 00:37:05,640 believe you're correct about the Maddie 584 00:37:11,239 --> 00:37:07,650 Roberts phenomenon which I believe was 585 00:37:13,549 --> 00:37:11,249 used for the deflection from other world 586 00:37:16,849 --> 00:37:13,559 events at the time because what are the 587 00:37:18,709 --> 00:37:16,859 odds that somebody post this which has 588 00:37:22,370 --> 00:37:18,719 absolutely no relevant meaning at an 589 00:37:24,769 --> 00:37:22,380 awkward hour and just throws it out 590 00:37:28,069 --> 00:37:24,779 there now we all know Google and other 591 00:37:30,620 --> 00:37:28,079 search engines algorithms and things of 592 00:37:32,749 --> 00:37:30,630 the like are able to even YouTube which 593 00:37:35,450 --> 00:37:32,759 you and I are very you know connected to 594 00:37:38,359 --> 00:37:35,460 and aware of they are able to defuse 595 00:37:40,819 --> 00:37:38,369 these things as quickly as they start I 596 00:37:43,819 --> 00:37:40,829 can't help but wonder if the Maddie 597 00:37:46,430 --> 00:37:43,829 Roberts phenomenon that viral sensation 598 00:37:48,170 --> 00:37:46,440 was just nothing but a deflection from 599 00:37:50,690 --> 00:37:48,180 other world events which there were many 600 00:37:52,430 --> 00:37:50,700 at the time that we're very much more 601 00:37:54,680 --> 00:37:52,440 important and all of a sudden all of our 602 00:37:57,109 --> 00:37:54,690 mainstream media which anybody who 603 00:37:59,959 --> 00:37:57,119 watches that I feel sorry for because 604 00:38:01,069 --> 00:37:59,969 unless there's a local news channel and 605 00:38:03,019 --> 00:38:01,079 you're keeping track of what's happening 606 00:38:07,370 --> 00:38:03,029 in your community to have absolutely no 607 00:38:09,829 --> 00:38:07,380 relevance there's probably something 608 00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:09,839 else going on that we are not of the 609 00:38:12,680 --> 00:38:11,729 majority of the population I should say 610 00:38:15,410 --> 00:38:12,690 is not aware of 611 00:38:17,989 --> 00:38:15,420 I showed up that I call it the calm 612 00:38:21,200 --> 00:38:17,999 before the storm I showed up the day 613 00:38:23,359 --> 00:38:21,210 before to do an interview with Telemundo 614 00:38:26,089 --> 00:38:23,369 they needed somebody who spoke Spanish 615 00:38:28,969 --> 00:38:26,099 and I speak Spanish and I had to leave 616 00:38:31,789 --> 00:38:28,979 for other things but I didn't see the 617 00:38:34,279 --> 00:38:31,799 actual storm I got there the calm before 618 00:38:37,539 --> 00:38:34,289 the storm is when you realize that these 619 00:38:40,759 --> 00:38:37,549 are more likely pair of physical 620 00:38:42,319 --> 00:38:40,769 sentient beings if you can even call 621 00:38:45,499 --> 00:38:42,329 them beings because I even think that 622 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:45,509 it's again I'm ruining this with my 623 00:38:50,250 --> 00:38:46,650 human 624 00:38:51,900 --> 00:38:50,260 it's it's it's very I believe you're 625 00:38:54,660 --> 00:38:51,910 correct about the Maddy Roberts 626 00:38:57,150 --> 00:38:54,670 phenomenon and although I think people 627 00:39:00,120 --> 00:38:57,160 are doing things for the right reasons 628 00:39:03,750 --> 00:39:00,130 it's a deflection from other world 629 00:39:06,090 --> 00:39:03,760 events and I wonder when when I drove 630 00:39:10,470 --> 00:39:06,100 out there the day before it all started 631 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:10,480 I was amazed there was a traffic jam and 632 00:39:13,710 --> 00:39:13,210 it wasn't people that were going to the 633 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:13,720 event 634 00:39:21,890 --> 00:39:18,010 I was stuck between Bearcats you know 635 00:39:25,370 --> 00:39:21,900 those big Ford SWAT vehicles ambulances 636 00:39:28,950 --> 00:39:25,380 emergency responders police vehicles I 637 00:39:31,500 --> 00:39:28,960 believe that there were more of those 638 00:39:34,650 --> 00:39:31,510 like you said than actual people that 639 00:39:37,410 --> 00:39:34,660 showed up at the event and that's 640 00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:37,420 interesting because that just goes to 641 00:39:44,130 --> 00:39:41,170 show that this area 51 this restricted 642 00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:44,140 area where deadly force is authorized 643 00:39:51,930 --> 00:39:47,650 people were showing up to that I mean I 644 00:39:53,610 --> 00:39:51,940 mean put that into perspective and I I'm 645 00:39:56,550 --> 00:39:53,620 I was thinking the same thing I'm like 646 00:39:58,890 --> 00:39:56,560 where am I going what in the world am i 647 00:40:01,770 --> 00:39:58,900 doing to speak with telemundo to you 648 00:40:06,030 --> 00:40:01,780 know kind of like give my opinion which 649 00:40:08,640 --> 00:40:06,040 was not at all at least shown in this 650 00:40:12,930 --> 00:40:08,650 country however i think it's very 651 00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:12,940 interesting to raise that consciousness 652 00:40:21,240 --> 00:40:16,350 of that people would actually consider 653 00:40:23,730 --> 00:40:21,250 jumping offense that is at the very 654 00:40:24,030 --> 00:40:23,740 heart of everything this country stands 655 00:40:28,170 --> 00:40:24,040 for 656 00:40:32,040 --> 00:40:28,180 and getting back to villekulla 657 00:40:36,720 --> 00:40:32,050 and i hate to do this but he kind of his 658 00:40:39,300 --> 00:40:36,730 his book kind of did the same thing he 659 00:40:43,470 --> 00:40:39,310 attacked this straight on and he 660 00:40:46,350 --> 00:40:43,480 attacked it much like that movement i'm 661 00:40:48,990 --> 00:40:46,360 all for having thoughts that are not 662 00:40:51,120 --> 00:40:49,000 like the mainstream but when you attack 663 00:40:54,060 --> 00:40:51,130 the very core values of something that 664 00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:54,070 you are a part of it could become very 665 00:40:59,820 --> 00:40:56,650 dangerous as it did for bill and I thank 666 00:41:03,750 --> 00:40:59,830 bill because much like you said Norio 667 00:41:07,320 --> 00:41:03,760 with his works I got so interested in 668 00:41:08,990 --> 00:41:07,330 Bill Mystery Babylon heard every hour of 669 00:41:12,510 --> 00:41:09,000 every talk that he ever said 670 00:41:15,290 --> 00:41:12,520 interestingly enough as I investigated 671 00:41:20,010 --> 00:41:15,300 much of his works everything from 672 00:41:23,430 --> 00:41:20,020 government corruption to religious and 673 00:41:26,220 --> 00:41:23,440 Illuminati groups that supposedly around 674 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:26,230 the world as I as I investigated this I 675 00:41:36,420 --> 00:41:31,290 was actually shown that by seeking I 676 00:41:39,050 --> 00:41:36,430 found other answers now bill didn't have 677 00:41:41,220 --> 00:41:39,060 all the right answers he didn't in fact 678 00:41:43,740 --> 00:41:41,230 the ones that were most important to me 679 00:41:47,970 --> 00:41:43,750 were completely opposite day and night 680 00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:47,980 but he did kind of get up on the podium 681 00:41:54,470 --> 00:41:50,130 and point everything out he went after 682 00:41:58,560 --> 00:41:54,480 everybody he went after everybody and 683 00:42:00,390 --> 00:41:58,570 sadly we know how it all ended I wanted 684 00:42:00,780 --> 00:42:00,400 to ask you Nuria I think he was a great 685 00:42:04,260 --> 00:42:00,790 man 686 00:42:07,010 --> 00:42:04,270 I really do and did you personally know 687 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:07,020 Bill I've talked to others that have and 688 00:42:14,420 --> 00:42:10,090 they have mixed emotions like he's a 689 00:42:15,950 --> 00:42:14,430 great guy but took it a little too far 690 00:42:20,550 --> 00:42:15,960 yes I 691 00:42:26,340 --> 00:42:20,560 in fact I helped him organize his first 692 00:42:28,890 --> 00:42:26,350 public UFO lecture appearance at 693 00:42:31,410 --> 00:42:28,900 Hollywood High School several helpers 694 00:42:35,550 --> 00:42:31,420 that organized Bill's first appearance 695 00:42:38,070 --> 00:42:35,560 and he he definitely had a charismatic 696 00:42:41,130 --> 00:42:38,080 personality and he was a powerful 697 00:42:44,580 --> 00:42:41,140 speaker and he captivated a lot of 698 00:42:49,190 --> 00:42:44,590 people and so in the beginning everybody 699 00:42:52,260 --> 00:42:49,200 thought he was just so tremendous and 700 00:42:56,100 --> 00:42:52,270 charismatic personality and everybody 701 00:43:00,810 --> 00:42:56,110 was affected but you know we told the 702 00:43:03,690 --> 00:43:00,820 analyst career he just went into another 703 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:03,700 direction and started this one-man 704 00:43:12,090 --> 00:43:09,010 militia and I knew him and I'm a type of 705 00:43:13,790 --> 00:43:12,100 a person that except person as they are 706 00:43:17,030 --> 00:43:13,800 so I knew 707 00:43:20,080 --> 00:43:17,040 Perez you know he liked to drink and he 708 00:43:23,450 --> 00:43:20,090 get very obnoxious too many drinks and 709 00:43:27,200 --> 00:43:23,460 he starts to fight with other people 710 00:43:29,420 --> 00:43:27,210 even in dude conventions sometimes he 711 00:43:31,460 --> 00:43:29,430 got drunk and he started arguing and 712 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:31,470 fighting actually just fighting another 713 00:43:41,180 --> 00:43:34,530 pallet of ether and so on so I knew him 714 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:41,190 but I I accepted him as he was and but 715 00:43:52,090 --> 00:43:45,570 you know I anybody that says that bill 716 00:43:54,830 --> 00:43:52,100 Cooper had no influence or no meaning it 717 00:43:57,440 --> 00:43:54,840 definitely doesn't know what to talk 718 00:44:00,040 --> 00:43:57,450 about because there's no question that 719 00:44:05,530 --> 00:44:00,050 bill Cooper had a tremendous influence 720 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:05,540 in thousands of people who listen to his 721 00:44:12,980 --> 00:44:08,370 speeches and listen to the shortwave 722 00:44:15,380 --> 00:44:12,990 radios and and so on he did affect a lot 723 00:44:20,780 --> 00:44:15,390 of people he had was a tremendous 724 00:44:25,190 --> 00:44:20,790 influence on people and you know there's 725 00:44:28,370 --> 00:44:25,200 nothing that everything is good that it 726 00:44:32,380 --> 00:44:28,380 was but it means that you cannot 727 00:44:36,290 --> 00:44:32,390 discount bill Cooper's role at all and 728 00:44:40,750 --> 00:44:36,300 so I talked to many people including 729 00:44:43,970 --> 00:44:40,760 people like Don Ecker who was you know 730 00:44:48,740 --> 00:44:43,980 the editor of UFO magazine in Los 731 00:44:51,620 --> 00:44:48,750 Angeles the dollmaker had a tremendous 732 00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:51,630 dislike of will Cooper and I understand 733 00:44:58,930 --> 00:44:55,650 because he can't see a person dollmaker 734 00:45:03,200 --> 00:44:58,940 couldn't see Bill Cooper as a person 735 00:45:05,350 --> 00:45:03,210 that he was and the only saw the 736 00:45:11,060 --> 00:45:05,360 obnoxious side of Bill Cooper 737 00:45:14,330 --> 00:45:11,070 so naturally Don Ecker had a bad image 738 00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:14,340 of Bill Cooper and you know tammini 739 00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:21,540 about Cooper he really wasn't a bad 740 00:45:25,730 --> 00:45:23,850 person he tried to be good no question 741 00:45:28,790 --> 00:45:25,740 but he tried to be a good person 742 00:45:31,100 --> 00:45:28,800 try to be kind but many times the 743 00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:31,110 certain people certain people cannot 744 00:45:37,820 --> 00:45:35,610 accept criticism and so certain people 745 00:45:41,109 --> 00:45:37,830 have the short temper such as will 746 00:45:46,340 --> 00:45:41,119 cooker but we have to look beyond his 747 00:45:50,540 --> 00:45:46,350 beyond the pot and accept him and who he 748 00:45:55,100 --> 00:45:50,550 was and so that's my position and you 749 00:45:59,720 --> 00:45:55,110 know as far as William Cooper now the 750 00:46:03,620 --> 00:45:59,730 other person that I have a problem with 751 00:46:06,250 --> 00:46:03,630 and he this person still lives here name 752 00:46:12,350 --> 00:46:06,260 is Richard C Dodi 753 00:46:14,060 --> 00:46:12,360 who who used to work as a wife personnel 754 00:46:18,130 --> 00:46:14,070 in Kirtland Air Force Base in 755 00:46:21,770 --> 00:46:18,140 Albuquerque you know for many years but 756 00:46:23,990 --> 00:46:21,780 it's my contention that that's the kind 757 00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:24,000 of person that more dangerous because 758 00:46:38,359 --> 00:46:33,560 talking about nonsense items and he 759 00:46:41,510 --> 00:46:38,369 claims he was part of the government 760 00:46:47,120 --> 00:46:41,520 this information program but I have very 761 00:46:49,460 --> 00:46:47,130 doubtful that that he was working under 762 00:46:53,240 --> 00:46:49,470 the direction of a government but 763 00:46:56,060 --> 00:46:53,250 whether he was working for himself in 764 00:46:56,630 --> 00:46:56,070 private even though he looked at Condon 765 00:47:01,700 --> 00:46:56,640 aerospace 766 00:47:04,430 --> 00:47:01,710 I believe he he had a plan to brainwash 767 00:47:07,810 --> 00:47:04,440 people and he brainwashed people like 768 00:47:11,210 --> 00:47:07,820 Paul bennewitz of Albuquerque in 769 00:47:13,700 --> 00:47:11,220 believing that they're the secret base 770 00:47:20,540 --> 00:47:13,710 in northern New Mexico and so on you 771 00:47:25,340 --> 00:47:20,550 know and this same Richard Doty even 772 00:47:28,940 --> 00:47:25,350 went to the stove area 51 revenge and 773 00:47:32,030 --> 00:47:28,950 then he was interviewed by Travel 774 00:47:36,170 --> 00:47:32,040 Channel program in the middle of the 775 00:47:37,460 --> 00:47:36,180 desert and I watched that what our 776 00:47:40,270 --> 00:47:37,470 travel 777 00:47:44,170 --> 00:47:40,280 program called storming area 51 it was 778 00:47:49,640 --> 00:47:44,180 broadcasted a couple of weeks ago but I 779 00:47:53,570 --> 00:47:49,650 was surprised that here comes the good 780 00:47:54,410 --> 00:47:53,580 old Richard Doty uttering the same 781 00:47:56,780 --> 00:47:54,420 nonsense 782 00:48:00,950 --> 00:47:56,790 this time he's saying that he was a very 783 00:48:03,500 --> 00:48:00,960 important official at area 51 so on and 784 00:48:07,460 --> 00:48:03,510 so this is the type of people that are 785 00:48:14,660 --> 00:48:07,470 very dangerous that can brainwash people 786 00:48:18,710 --> 00:48:14,670 and it's unfortunate that that this kind 787 00:48:24,970 --> 00:48:18,720 of people still goes around the nation 788 00:48:31,270 --> 00:48:24,980 and becomes the you know limelight of 789 00:48:39,250 --> 00:48:31,280 speakers and so on and so I believe that 790 00:48:47,120 --> 00:48:43,670 and the dangerous thing about people 791 00:48:48,970 --> 00:48:47,130 like Richard Doty is that he is very 792 00:48:55,070 --> 00:48:48,980 good in brainwashing people and 793 00:48:57,829 --> 00:48:55,080 brainwashing even gullible people such 794 00:49:00,560 --> 00:48:57,839 as Linda Howe who live in Albuquerque 795 00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:00,570 you know Linda Howell is a crazy old 796 00:49:09,190 --> 00:49:03,570 lady that has been brainwashed by people 797 00:49:17,079 --> 00:49:09,200 like the Richard C Doty and you know so 798 00:49:21,579 --> 00:49:17,089 people are in this field of ethology can 799 00:49:24,980 --> 00:49:21,589 escape from the bad habit of associating 800 00:49:28,220 --> 00:49:24,990 everything with a for example Linda Howe 801 00:49:31,990 --> 00:49:28,230 associate every single cattle 802 00:49:35,210 --> 00:49:32,000 mutilations - alien and once you do that 803 00:49:38,750 --> 00:49:35,220 you have to continue doing what you 804 00:49:41,780 --> 00:49:38,760 start telling us exaggerated world lies 805 00:49:43,970 --> 00:49:41,790 okay you have to keep all that faint 806 00:49:50,820 --> 00:49:43,980 line and this is the reason why people 807 00:49:54,510 --> 00:49:50,830 like George Knapp who actually made a 808 00:49:57,090 --> 00:49:54,520 during career out of composing bob was 809 00:50:01,170 --> 00:49:57,100 on a story he was only one of the few 810 00:50:04,140 --> 00:50:01,180 people that continuously helped them 811 00:50:07,230 --> 00:50:04,150 about the dollar story and once you do 812 00:50:09,930 --> 00:50:07,240 that you can't escape no matter how many 813 00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:09,940 is packed on you're not associated with 814 00:50:17,130 --> 00:50:12,970 that thing so he has to keep doing it 815 00:50:21,770 --> 00:50:17,140 this is the reason why recently just a 816 00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:21,780 few days ago I got the information that 817 00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:24,370 there's a new book coming out on October 818 00:50:30,140 --> 00:50:28,810 15 called dreamland an autobiography by 819 00:50:33,780 --> 00:50:30,150 Bob Lazar 820 00:50:36,810 --> 00:50:33,790 that's gonna be on sale and you know 821 00:50:41,010 --> 00:50:36,820 guess who is the writer of the forward 822 00:50:44,220 --> 00:50:41,020 to this book George Mack and because 823 00:50:46,670 --> 00:50:44,230 like I said what you are associated with 824 00:50:50,910 --> 00:50:46,680 something it's very difficult to 825 00:50:53,220 --> 00:50:50,920 distance one person from the other 826 00:50:56,970 --> 00:50:53,230 person that we have association with and 827 00:51:00,990 --> 00:50:56,980 so this is a very unfortunate thing and 828 00:51:05,010 --> 00:51:01,000 you know as I said don't that is a maybe 829 00:51:08,310 --> 00:51:05,020 a good news caster but once he got 830 00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:08,320 associated the bubbles or he had to keep 831 00:51:17,220 --> 00:51:13,090 repeating the same thing and even today 832 00:51:22,320 --> 00:51:17,230 he has to be a spokesman and a handler 833 00:51:24,990 --> 00:51:22,330 of Bob Lazar the extraterrestrial 834 00:51:27,410 --> 00:51:25,000 payload which are called entails it 835 00:51:30,630 --> 00:51:27,420 sounded you know his story may be 836 00:51:34,220 --> 00:51:30,640 interesting but bottom line is Suki's 837 00:51:37,470 --> 00:51:34,230 that gets is that so unsubstantiated and 838 00:51:40,590 --> 00:51:37,480 it's just like a story story telling 839 00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:40,600 just like but guy by the name of bill 840 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:42,850 Schneider he was a good storyteller so 841 00:51:50,190 --> 00:51:46,810 in this world of apology there are many 842 00:51:54,030 --> 00:51:50,200 many good storytellers or what I call 843 00:51:57,630 --> 00:51:54,040 rap concurs that people who are skilled 844 00:52:00,180 --> 00:51:57,640 in telling his dog tell me stories you 845 00:52:04,200 --> 00:52:00,190 know and you know this is a weird field 846 00:52:07,680 --> 00:52:04,210 of ethology we have to face this 847 00:52:11,220 --> 00:52:07,690 day because there are so many gullible 848 00:52:13,589 --> 00:52:11,230 folks who watch programs like ancient 849 00:52:17,720 --> 00:52:13,599 aliens on TV and just believe me 850 00:52:22,740 --> 00:52:17,730 everything that is being told in that 851 00:52:25,290 --> 00:52:22,750 nonsensical program you know and this is 852 00:52:29,370 --> 00:52:25,300 a very dangerous thing in a way that 853 00:52:32,310 --> 00:52:29,380 belief systems can eventually even 854 00:52:35,609 --> 00:52:32,320 affect society and if it's a belief 855 00:52:39,930 --> 00:52:35,619 system that is unbalanced there is a 856 00:52:42,870 --> 00:52:39,940 danger of such a belief system held by a 857 00:52:46,380 --> 00:52:42,880 lot of people that can actually change 858 00:52:50,700 --> 00:52:46,390 the social structure so that's why I 859 00:52:53,220 --> 00:52:50,710 happen by me this is a weird field of 860 00:52:56,040 --> 00:52:53,230 ufology you can make enemies without 861 00:52:59,010 --> 00:52:56,050 even wanting to I've had people call me 862 00:53:00,810 --> 00:52:59,020 angry because I have an unfriend at 863 00:53:05,240 --> 00:53:00,820 others based on their beliefs or 864 00:53:08,670 --> 00:53:05,250 opinions and then they unfriended me 865 00:53:11,940 --> 00:53:08,680 quite literally for being open to all 866 00:53:15,030 --> 00:53:11,950 sides as you know I consider jackal a 867 00:53:18,390 --> 00:53:15,040 yourself George Knapp and Jeremy Korbel 868 00:53:20,370 --> 00:53:18,400 friends I try to be open to all sides 869 00:53:23,250 --> 00:53:20,380 but I do appreciate opinions without 870 00:53:25,500 --> 00:53:23,260 judgment I think that's important it's 871 00:53:27,329 --> 00:53:25,510 difficult because we are two humans 872 00:53:31,589 --> 00:53:27,339 having a conversation about something 873 00:53:36,930 --> 00:53:31,599 that's in my opinion not human or at 874 00:53:39,690 --> 00:53:36,940 least not physically human and I think I 875 00:53:41,670 --> 00:53:39,700 think it's it's very interesting that 876 00:53:44,099 --> 00:53:41,680 you bring up many of the things that you 877 00:53:46,440 --> 00:53:44,109 brought up because I think a lot of 878 00:53:47,910 --> 00:53:46,450 times were connected by by whatever 879 00:53:49,500 --> 00:53:47,920 reason I don't think anything happens 880 00:53:51,570 --> 00:53:49,510 you hear it all the time it's super 881 00:53:56,550 --> 00:53:51,580 overplayed but nothing happens by 882 00:54:01,170 --> 00:53:56,560 coincidence and it's it's interesting 883 00:54:03,390 --> 00:54:01,180 that you know Bill Cooper people like 884 00:54:06,720 --> 00:54:03,400 Bill Cooper and people like Phil 885 00:54:09,450 --> 00:54:06,730 Schneider there's there's a manipulation 886 00:54:12,300 --> 00:54:09,460 at hand here both both human and 887 00:54:14,550 --> 00:54:12,310 non-human possibly and I think Bill 888 00:54:17,470 --> 00:54:14,560 Cooper's actually the reason I have the 889 00:54:19,810 --> 00:54:17,480 beliefs I do from a spiritual and almost 890 00:54:22,990 --> 00:54:19,820 religious standpoint but not for the 891 00:54:24,250 --> 00:54:23,000 reasons he said so I like literally 892 00:54:27,310 --> 00:54:24,260 thank him for that 893 00:54:29,410 --> 00:54:27,320 he was also absolutely right about many 894 00:54:31,390 --> 00:54:29,420 of the general beliefs in secret 895 00:54:35,740 --> 00:54:31,400 societies much of what isn't 896 00:54:38,530 --> 00:54:35,750 disinformation that is what is or isn't 897 00:54:41,680 --> 00:54:38,540 real and I think people in high 898 00:54:44,260 --> 00:54:41,690 positions of power aren't there by 899 00:54:48,940 --> 00:54:44,270 accident they are quite literally forces 900 00:54:50,410 --> 00:54:48,950 of nature much like the you AP's or this 901 00:54:52,930 --> 00:54:50,420 you know that lights in the sky that 902 00:54:58,720 --> 00:54:52,940 we're seeing we're seeing something that 903 00:55:02,830 --> 00:54:58,730 is power or energy and the after-effects 904 00:55:06,160 --> 00:55:02,840 do you could be more powerful than we 905 00:55:09,010 --> 00:55:06,170 know when it comes to OSI I'm not gonna 906 00:55:15,040 --> 00:55:09,020 touch that as you said he was utilized 907 00:55:17,340 --> 00:55:15,050 and it reminds me of the words that I 908 00:55:20,950 --> 00:55:17,350 got from a source of mine of a scientist 909 00:55:24,130 --> 00:55:20,960 at the heart of shapeshifter territory 910 00:55:26,380 --> 00:55:24,140 in Utah and he said every time you look 911 00:55:28,630 --> 00:55:26,390 behind the veil or see something you 912 00:55:32,950 --> 00:55:28,640 shouldn't you give something of yourself 913 00:55:35,109 --> 00:55:32,960 and I think the important thing from a 914 00:55:36,970 --> 00:55:35,119 human standpoint it's really hard for us 915 00:55:40,510 --> 00:55:36,980 humans we have this thing called an ego 916 00:55:43,109 --> 00:55:40,520 which just it's trying to kill us and if 917 00:55:47,050 --> 00:55:43,119 we can stay away from these narratives 918 00:55:51,670 --> 00:55:47,060 isn't that humanism or a lot of what can 919 00:55:52,840 --> 00:55:51,680 be said about oh III think it's really 920 00:55:54,820 --> 00:55:52,850 interesting you mentioned the Dreamland 921 00:55:56,800 --> 00:55:54,830 book coming out October 15th with George 922 00:55:59,830 --> 00:55:56,810 Knapp because a lot can be said by those 923 00:56:02,710 --> 00:55:59,840 who write the forwards of books etc as 924 00:56:07,349 --> 00:56:02,720 human beings we are observers of 925 00:56:10,510 --> 00:56:07,359 something much larger than ourselves and 926 00:56:14,590 --> 00:56:10,520 this is the reason throughout humanity 927 00:56:17,530 --> 00:56:14,600 wars have been fought and I'm glad you 928 00:56:19,930 --> 00:56:17,540 brought up Hollywood the that the 929 00:56:24,010 --> 00:56:19,940 changing social structures and the media 930 00:56:26,830 --> 00:56:24,020 they are able to sway and you know 931 00:56:29,109 --> 00:56:26,840 there's all sides of media but they are 932 00:56:30,540 --> 00:56:29,119 able to sway these things and sometimes 933 00:56:33,030 --> 00:56:30,550 I wonder you know everything 934 00:56:35,940 --> 00:56:33,040 is not everything is not always as it 935 00:56:38,780 --> 00:56:35,950 seems and I think that much of the 936 00:56:43,590 --> 00:56:38,790 phenomena that we are witnessing may be 937 00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:43,600 much greater much greater then we are 938 00:56:47,520 --> 00:56:46,330 giving it credit for you know people see 939 00:56:49,740 --> 00:56:47,530 a light in the sky and what do they 940 00:56:52,470 --> 00:56:49,750 think they think little green men there 941 00:56:53,060 --> 00:56:52,480 in a little metal saucer and that's what 942 00:57:00,230 --> 00:56:53,070 it is 943 00:57:03,120 --> 00:57:00,240 well I'm not so sure about that and I 944 00:57:05,400 --> 00:57:03,130 want to kind of enter I know that we're 945 00:57:10,220 --> 00:57:05,410 getting really really short on time but 946 00:57:14,190 --> 00:57:10,230 from the fruits of your own labor norio 947 00:57:17,070 --> 00:57:14,200 and and this is this is very difficult 948 00:57:18,060 --> 00:57:17,080 to ask but do you think people like Phil 949 00:57:20,940 --> 00:57:18,070 Schneider do you think this 950 00:57:21,480 --> 00:57:20,950 disinformation in the government has an 951 00:57:24,030 --> 00:57:21,490 agenda 952 00:57:34,020 --> 00:57:24,040 or is this just disinformation to keep 953 00:57:36,780 --> 00:57:34,030 us away from truth well source of all my 954 00:57:40,590 --> 00:57:36,790 belief is that we give too much credit 955 00:57:43,740 --> 00:57:40,600 to the government because I believe that 956 00:57:48,000 --> 00:57:43,750 the government is incapable of keeping 957 00:57:50,390 --> 00:57:48,010 secrets for too long and we give too 958 00:57:55,460 --> 00:57:50,400 much credit to the government and so 959 00:57:59,060 --> 00:57:55,470 again I John Colonel John Alexander I 960 00:58:02,100 --> 00:57:59,070 believe that there has not been in any 961 00:58:03,720 --> 00:58:02,110 intentional cover-up of the UFO 962 00:58:06,540 --> 00:58:03,730 phenomenon by the government because 963 00:58:10,530 --> 00:58:06,550 first of all the government itself is 964 00:58:13,380 --> 00:58:10,540 being perplexed by this unsolved 965 00:58:17,610 --> 00:58:13,390 phenomena so anything that the 966 00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:17,620 government cannot explain is not gonna 967 00:58:26,690 --> 00:58:24,210 be discussed by the government that will 968 00:58:28,950 --> 00:58:26,700 seem to appear that the government is 969 00:58:32,790 --> 00:58:28,960 incapable and the government certainly 970 00:58:37,260 --> 00:58:32,800 don't want to give publicly impression 971 00:58:39,700 --> 00:58:37,270 of being incapable of anything so to me 972 00:58:42,610 --> 00:58:39,710 there's no intentional 973 00:58:47,500 --> 00:58:42,620 it's just a little one talk about it 974 00:58:51,130 --> 00:58:47,510 unless something is definitely food so 975 00:58:54,520 --> 00:58:51,140 that's my position but you know in a 976 00:58:57,670 --> 00:58:54,530 defense industries in the United States 977 00:59:03,040 --> 00:58:57,680 there are many companies that use cover 978 00:59:08,410 --> 00:59:03,050 stories to confuse people and the 979 00:59:12,550 --> 00:59:08,420 so-called UFO thing is a good cover 980 00:59:14,860 --> 00:59:12,560 story to conceal important matters or 981 00:59:18,340 --> 00:59:14,870 important technological developments 982 00:59:25,420 --> 00:59:18,350 that government or the military has come 983 00:59:28,210 --> 00:59:25,430 up with so in doing so in creating cover 984 00:59:32,580 --> 00:59:28,220 stories the government couldn't could 985 00:59:38,110 --> 00:59:32,590 intentionally so throw in some 986 00:59:42,730 --> 00:59:38,120 ridiculous items to confuse people they 987 00:59:51,130 --> 00:59:42,740 could manipulate eccentric people's 988 00:59:54,730 --> 00:59:51,140 belief in some kind of you know thing 989 00:59:56,800 --> 00:59:54,740 that they could flow into the public to 990 01:00:00,670 --> 00:59:56,810 confuse people and so this is what the 991 01:00:04,080 --> 01:00:00,680 whole thing is it you know there are 992 01:00:08,230 --> 01:00:04,090 some people that are unwittingly being 993 01:00:10,810 --> 01:00:08,240 manipulated by the government without 994 01:00:14,440 --> 01:00:10,820 even them knowing that they are being 995 01:00:18,580 --> 01:00:14,450 manipulated so you know that's important 996 01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:18,590 to to understand this because we are 997 01:00:24,670 --> 01:00:22,490 faced with the unknown if we have always 998 01:00:30,370 --> 01:00:24,680 been faced with the unknown and that 999 01:00:32,910 --> 01:00:30,380 this mystery will never be solved by 1000 01:00:36,310 --> 01:00:32,920 human hands and that's my ultimate 1001 01:00:41,710 --> 01:00:36,320 position this is my ultimate position 1002 01:00:44,320 --> 01:00:41,720 and like I said the reality of the UFO 1003 01:00:47,770 --> 01:00:44,330 phenomena was in you unidentified aerial 1004 01:00:51,640 --> 01:00:47,780 phenomena is real to me it's real just 1005 01:00:53,430 --> 01:00:51,650 like doctors everything it's real but to 1006 01:00:59,170 --> 01:00:53,440 go beyond there 1007 01:01:02,229 --> 01:00:59,180 is just not advisable because we just 1008 01:01:05,890 --> 01:01:02,239 don't have that much reliable 1009 01:01:08,829 --> 01:01:05,900 information and substance to make up any 1010 01:01:11,489 --> 01:01:08,839 conclusion about this strange mountain 1011 01:01:16,799 --> 01:01:11,499 and so this will remain this way 1012 01:01:21,509 --> 01:01:16,809 whoever until such day when those 1013 01:01:28,870 --> 01:01:25,239 declare to us physically that they are 1014 01:01:32,079 --> 01:01:28,880 here after so until that time comes 1015 01:01:36,329 --> 01:01:32,089 which may never come we just have to 1016 01:01:39,690 --> 01:01:36,339 stay away from any kind of they do 1017 01:01:42,729 --> 01:01:39,700 speculation about this phenomena 1018 01:01:45,400 --> 01:01:42,739 absolutely norio and I can't appreciate 1019 01:01:48,660 --> 01:01:45,410 you enough living where you were at this 1020 01:01:54,370 --> 01:01:48,670 I think the New Mexico landscape is 1021 01:01:56,650 --> 01:01:54,380 possibly if not the fulcrum of a lot of 1022 01:01:57,789 --> 01:01:56,660 this and I couldn't agree more with you 1023 01:02:00,819 --> 01:01:57,799 with what you said about John Alexander 1024 01:02:02,410 --> 01:02:00,829 I I met a guy at the highest levels of 1025 01:02:05,529 --> 01:02:02,420 national security and I don't think 1026 01:02:08,049 --> 01:02:05,539 there are any other countries to worry 1027 01:02:10,449 --> 01:02:08,059 about except maybe ourselves and Russia 1028 01:02:15,069 --> 01:02:10,459 but it's not for the reasons that we are 1029 01:02:16,959 --> 01:02:15,079 told and New Mexico I have a close 1030 01:02:18,939 --> 01:02:16,969 friend her name is Stephanie Gro she she 1031 01:02:21,339 --> 01:02:18,949 has family in New Mexico and the things 1032 01:02:22,180 --> 01:02:21,349 she's told me and the beauty that is 1033 01:02:24,759 --> 01:02:22,190 there 1034 01:02:27,430 --> 01:02:24,769 you're just so blessed to live right in 1035 01:02:29,319 --> 01:02:27,440 the heart of this mystery and I think it 1036 01:02:32,680 --> 01:02:29,329 won't be solved by human hands as you 1037 01:02:34,239 --> 01:02:32,690 said norio and human hands have tried 1038 01:02:36,160 --> 01:02:34,249 and failed throughout all time and I 1039 01:02:38,589 --> 01:02:36,170 think this is like you said this is the 1040 01:02:41,439 --> 01:02:38,599 reason humans have actually had wars and 1041 01:02:43,479 --> 01:02:41,449 just you know all kind many many 1042 01:02:47,949 --> 01:02:43,489 probably millions of people have died 1043 01:02:51,880 --> 01:02:47,959 over people taking different opinions of 1044 01:02:55,779 --> 01:02:51,890 something that the Egyptians many have 1045 01:02:59,170 --> 01:02:55,789 tried to encapsulate this in a human 1046 01:03:01,209 --> 01:02:59,180 scenario and put it in boxes and what I 1047 01:03:04,199 --> 01:03:01,219 like about you know yo is that you don't 1048 01:03:05,309 --> 01:03:04,209 do that I think that your knowledge of 1049 01:03:11,819 --> 01:03:05,319 the 1050 01:03:15,630 --> 01:03:11,829 you said para physical that that word is 1051 01:03:17,849 --> 01:03:15,640 so monumental in my opinion there are 1052 01:03:20,789 --> 01:03:17,859 certain individuals who have a knowledge 1053 01:03:23,880 --> 01:03:20,799 of this a flame if you will that cannot 1054 01:03:25,380 --> 01:03:23,890 be put out and you are one of those 1055 01:03:26,910 --> 01:03:25,390 flames that I constantly follow I 1056 01:03:29,549 --> 01:03:26,920 appreciate everything you've given to 1057 01:03:32,759 --> 01:03:29,559 the community your honesty is so 1058 01:03:34,799 --> 01:03:32,769 refreshing it is amazing and I just want 1059 01:03:36,329 --> 01:03:34,809 to thank you for all your time and the 1060 01:03:36,839 --> 01:03:36,339 time that you've taken today talking 1061 01:03:39,839 --> 01:03:36,849 with me 1062 01:03:41,640 --> 01:03:39,849 thank you Nuria thank you so much and 1063 01:03:46,680 --> 01:03:41,650 we'll talk again sometime in the future 1064 01:03:50,519 --> 01:03:46,690 yes sir absolutely be blessed holy moly 1065 01:03:53,789 --> 01:03:50,529 guacamole or in New Mexico that's the 1066 01:03:55,829 --> 01:03:53,799 spicy red peppers and that's that's what 1067 01:03:58,319 --> 01:03:55,839 I like about norio how can you not 1068 01:04:00,900 --> 01:03:58,329 appreciate someone who was so candid 1069 01:04:02,699 --> 01:04:00,910 with their opinion yet explains that he 1070 01:04:04,769 --> 01:04:02,709 is just a human being and he's 1071 01:04:07,499 --> 01:04:04,779 open-minded enough to accept others 1072 01:04:11,219 --> 01:04:07,509 regardless of their opinions based on 1073 01:04:14,039 --> 01:04:11,229 their humanity as well I try to remain 1074 01:04:16,199 --> 01:04:14,049 friends with a lot of people but won't 1075 01:04:19,910 --> 01:04:16,209 change my friendships based on what 1076 01:04:23,160 --> 01:04:19,920 others and their whims tell me to do 1077 01:04:25,499 --> 01:04:23,170 it's difficult as norio said to have 1078 01:04:28,249 --> 01:04:25,509 friends you can trust in this field I 1079 01:04:33,930 --> 01:04:28,259 have a lot of friends in this field and 1080 01:04:36,329 --> 01:04:33,940 maybe only one or two I can't trust but 1081 01:04:39,479 --> 01:04:36,339 we're still friends or at least I hope 1082 01:04:41,759 --> 01:04:39,489 we are the ones you can't trust are 1083 01:04:44,430 --> 01:04:41,769 usually the ones who have burned bridges 1084 01:04:48,239 --> 01:04:44,440 time after time asking for contacts 1085 01:04:50,160 --> 01:04:48,249 asking for whatever the case may be the 1086 01:04:52,979 --> 01:04:50,170 ones that take your material would ever 1087 01:04:56,219 --> 01:04:52,989 return those who try mudslinging in your 1088 01:04:58,589 --> 01:04:56,229 direction usually for intangible useless 1089 01:05:01,859 --> 01:04:58,599 glory like those policy offered by famed 1090 01:05:03,859 --> 01:05:01,869 TV shows and the like some of my quote 1091 01:05:06,629 --> 01:05:03,869 unquote 1092 01:05:10,709 --> 01:05:06,639 actually one is a guy and one is a girl 1093 01:05:13,889 --> 01:05:10,719 so this ego knows no gender they have 1094 01:05:17,639 --> 01:05:13,899 become like empty husks of humans who 1095 01:05:19,199 --> 01:05:17,649 are only after fame and recognition this 1096 01:05:21,509 --> 01:05:19,209 is well known in the field so I don't 1097 01:05:22,889 --> 01:05:21,519 even have to name them it's common 1098 01:05:25,769 --> 01:05:22,899 knowledge in certain circles and I 1099 01:05:27,269 --> 01:05:25,779 wouldn't name them even if I could I try 1100 01:05:30,449 --> 01:05:27,279 to refrain from that type of behavior 1101 01:05:34,829 --> 01:05:30,459 and I try to remain friends with these 1102 01:05:37,289 --> 01:05:34,839 people but won't change and sadly they 1103 01:05:39,479 --> 01:05:37,299 are their own worst enemies so no one 1104 01:05:41,969 --> 01:05:39,489 really has to attack them and they will 1105 01:05:45,089 --> 01:05:41,979 most likely destroy whatever they come 1106 01:05:47,189 --> 01:05:45,099 into contact with they will destroy what 1107 01:05:51,479 --> 01:05:47,199 they consider their careers with their 1108 01:05:53,579 --> 01:05:51,489 own knowledge and lack thereof it's hard 1109 01:05:56,759 --> 01:05:53,589 not to feel sorry for people like this 1110 01:05:58,529 --> 01:05:56,769 and well for those who accept them and 1111 01:06:01,769 --> 01:05:58,539 include them in their productions 1112 01:06:04,589 --> 01:06:01,779 promotions they are also deal with it I 1113 01:06:07,829 --> 01:06:04,599 must I don't have a dog in the fight so 1114 01:06:10,349 --> 01:06:07,839 it's not my place I guess I see the 1115 01:06:12,919 --> 01:06:10,359 human side of them which however 1116 01:06:15,839 --> 01:06:12,929 dwindling still exists on some level 1117 01:06:18,509 --> 01:06:15,849 much like norio explained we're all 1118 01:06:21,179 --> 01:06:18,519 humans we are trying to describe 1119 01:06:25,379 --> 01:06:21,189 something which to our best ability does 1120 01:06:29,849 --> 01:06:25,389 not appear human and I absolutely love 1121 01:06:32,749 --> 01:06:29,859 his description that they are pair of 1122 01:06:35,239 --> 01:06:32,759 physical can't get enough of that 1123 01:06:37,919 --> 01:06:35,249 quality individuals in the field 1124 01:06:40,079 --> 01:06:37,929 regardless of their pasts or backgrounds 1125 01:06:43,079 --> 01:06:40,089 are those who have more to offer than 1126 01:06:45,539 --> 01:06:43,089 they tank those who burn bridges at 1127 01:06:47,609 --> 01:06:45,549 every turn eventually end up on islands 1128 01:06:52,169 --> 01:06:47,619 of their own with nowhere to go except 1129 01:06:54,559 --> 01:06:52,179 their own egos haunting them whether 1130 01:07:00,199 --> 01:06:54,569 that be through entity attachment 1131 01:07:03,350 --> 01:07:00,209 madness feverish need for attention and 1132 01:07:06,170 --> 01:07:03,360 that recognition that they 1133 01:07:08,660 --> 01:07:06,180 well they know they don't deserve even 1134 01:07:12,040 --> 01:07:08,670 if they did deserve it recognition is 1135 01:07:17,000 --> 01:07:12,050 not up to us this is true 1136 01:07:20,210 --> 01:07:17,010 spiritualization and anyone who is after 1137 01:07:22,520 --> 01:07:20,220 that or continually trying to read 1138 01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:22,530 ascribe themselves as the next hot thing 1139 01:07:29,150 --> 01:07:26,490 or the messiah of the UFO world or you 1140 01:07:34,070 --> 01:07:29,160 get the idea you know the people these 1141 01:07:36,890 --> 01:07:34,080 are the ones who are sadly not going to 1142 01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:36,900 achieve the best achievement we can do 1143 01:07:42,260 --> 01:07:39,090 is giving to our fellow humans the 1144 01:07:45,110 --> 01:07:42,270 knowledge that we so freely gain from 1145 01:07:48,910 --> 01:07:45,120 these amazing celestial terror of 1146 01:07:52,370 --> 01:07:48,920 physical thanks for that Nuria and 1147 01:07:56,510 --> 01:07:52,380 otherwise spectacular entities that fly 1148 01:08:00,260 --> 01:07:56,520 our friendly skies and bestow upon our 1149 01:08:03,770 --> 01:08:00,270 eyes the glorious and divine celestial 1150 01:08:06,410 --> 01:08:03,780 aspects of this reality which we can't 1151 01:08:09,140 --> 01:08:06,420 find in a regular existence those who 1152 01:08:13,370 --> 01:08:09,150 are in this field their lives are truly 1153 01:08:15,800 --> 01:08:13,380 augmented by these amazing things taking 1154 01:08:18,230 --> 01:08:15,810 place right above us and it's 1155 01:08:20,180 --> 01:08:18,240 understandable how for all time in 1156 01:08:23,750 --> 01:08:20,190 history people have looked to the skies 1157 01:08:26,180 --> 01:08:23,760 pointed in awe and asked larger 1158 01:08:29,599 --> 01:08:26,190 questions larger questions than 1159 01:08:31,790 --> 01:08:29,609 themselves and that's the hard part 1160 01:08:35,000 --> 01:08:31,800 isn't it getting getting over yourself 1161 01:08:37,750 --> 01:08:35,010 so I'm wishing that everybody have the 1162 01:08:40,490 --> 01:08:37,760 best of luck doing that including myself 1163 01:08:42,890 --> 01:08:40,500 now that I'm trying to do that I will 1164 01:08:45,020 --> 01:08:42,900 try to self glorify myself at least to 1165 01:08:48,440 --> 01:08:45,030 some small extent to pay the bills that 1166 01:08:50,349 --> 01:08:48,450 are and that reality we can't escape if 1167 01:08:53,900 --> 01:08:50,359 you haven't been to hear a paranormal 1168 01:08:56,630 --> 01:08:53,910 dot-com check it out those who podcasts 1169 01:08:58,700 --> 01:08:56,640 themselves you know it's not easy takes 1170 01:09:00,260 --> 01:08:58,710 time it takes money takes you away from 1171 01:09:03,500 --> 01:09:00,270 your family and a lot of things that 1172 01:09:05,300 --> 01:09:03,510 matter but it also allows you to be a 1173 01:09:07,730 --> 01:09:05,310 part of something and give something to 1174 01:09:10,809 --> 01:09:07,740 the community that they would not have 1175 01:09:13,690 --> 01:09:10,819 unless you're doing it so I love this 1176 01:09:16,440 --> 01:09:13,700 idea I need to thank people like Greg 1177 01:09:18,670 --> 01:09:16,450 Carl wood of the higher side chance 1178 01:09:21,280 --> 01:09:18,680 wasn't for him I wouldn't be doing this 1179 01:09:24,789 --> 01:09:21,290 at all I would like to thank people like 1180 01:09:27,390 --> 01:09:24,799 Joe Rogan interestingly enough Rogan 1181 01:09:31,210 --> 01:09:27,400 gets heat sometimes for not liking 1182 01:09:33,870 --> 01:09:31,220 Mencia and that's another comedian who 1183 01:09:39,039 --> 01:09:33,880 does nothing but steal other people's 1184 01:09:41,349 --> 01:09:39,049 material and he's full of well crap I 1185 01:09:41,710 --> 01:09:41,359 guess you could say Rogen's got a pretty 1186 01:09:45,150 --> 01:09:41,720 good 1187 01:09:48,099 --> 01:09:45,160 yes meter don't hold that against him I 1188 01:09:50,920 --> 01:09:48,109 don't blame him Peck we're all just 1189 01:09:52,570 --> 01:09:50,930 human right so for those people that 1190 01:09:55,120 --> 01:09:52,580 steal your material and they're full of 1191 01:09:57,340 --> 01:09:55,130 crap here's a little hint quick giving 1192 01:09:58,090 --> 01:09:57,350 them material and start giving them a 1193 01:10:01,030 --> 01:09:58,100 little crap 1194 01:10:04,330 --> 01:10:01,040 they might just back off on that no I 1195 01:10:06,570 --> 01:10:04,340 would like to commend norio for taking 1196 01:10:08,950 --> 01:10:06,580 time being a part of our lives and 1197 01:10:11,130 --> 01:10:08,960 sharing some of the wisdom he's gathered 1198 01:10:13,870 --> 01:10:11,140 over 60 years in the field of ufology 1199 01:10:17,350 --> 01:10:13,880 yeah he was a friend to legends like 1200 01:10:20,650 --> 01:10:17,360 Bill Cooper many legends in fact please 1201 01:10:23,550 --> 01:10:20,660 support norio you can see him on social 1202 01:10:26,110 --> 01:10:23,560 media Facebook go to Dreamland 1203 01:10:30,460 --> 01:10:26,120 supporting their support him anywhere 1204 01:10:33,190 --> 01:10:30,470 that you see his name and give him a 1205 01:10:35,920 --> 01:10:33,200 thumbs up a heads up that you appreciate 1206 01:10:38,590 --> 01:10:35,930 his work and he's not the only one 1207 01:10:40,690 --> 01:10:38,600 there's others I want to thank as well 1208 01:10:45,060 --> 01:10:40,700 other podcasters if you haven't checked 1209 01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,070 him out check him out one is Isaac 1210 01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:48,560 Illuminati watcher Weiss up you can find 1211 01:10:53,470 --> 01:10:51,050 him all over the web social media 1212 01:10:56,860 --> 01:10:53,480 Instagram you name it he's their go-to 1213 01:10:59,680 --> 01:10:56,870 Illuminati watcher dot-com and that's 1214 01:11:02,230 --> 01:10:59,690 the guy if there's anything away Minotti 1215 01:11:04,690 --> 01:11:02,240 he knows about it check out all his 1216 01:11:07,570 --> 01:11:04,700 podcasts he's definitely somebody you 1217 01:11:10,360 --> 01:11:07,580 should support brings you everything 1218 01:11:12,430 --> 01:11:10,370 that the media is doing and yet hiding 1219 01:11:15,160 --> 01:11:12,440 before our very eyes and while we're on 1220 01:11:16,540 --> 01:11:15,170 this subject Illuminati and such never 1221 01:11:18,730 --> 01:11:16,550 forget Leos egami 1222 01:11:20,500 --> 01:11:18,740 you can find him at Leo Sagami con he's 1223 01:11:22,600 --> 01:11:20,510 an info worrier connected with the Alex 1224 01:11:23,290 --> 01:11:22,610 Jones Network he's out there for the 1225 01:11:25,630 --> 01:11:23,300 benefit of the 1226 01:11:28,720 --> 01:11:25,640 people and last but not least check out 1227 01:11:31,810 --> 01:11:28,730 the my TJ Parker you can find him in 1228 01:11:34,660 --> 01:11:31,820 freedom's lips and he's all over the 1229 01:11:38,710 --> 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01:12:18,700 --> 01:12:15,140 our research project we call space wolf 1244 01:12:23,020 --> 01:12:18,710 research comm something a little fun I 1245 01:12:25,540 --> 01:12:23,030 do on the side and last but not least 1246 01:12:28,180 --> 01:12:25,550 check out our gear the Utah UFO Hunters 1247 01:12:31,300 --> 01:12:28,190 are involved pick up a hat pick up a 1248 01:12:33,400 --> 01:12:31,310 t-shirt pick up whatever you want it all 1249 01:12:35,110 --> 01:12:33,410 just kind of helps everything and shows 1250 01:12:38,500 --> 01:12:35,120 the community what you're involved with 1251 01:12:40,210 --> 01:12:38,510 which is nothing but badassery also 1252 01:12:43,630 --> 01:12:40,220 check out the utah UFO runners they're 1253 01:12:46,450 --> 01:12:43,640 on social media as well we are there for 1254 01:12:50,230 --> 01:12:46,460 all of you and I just can't wait to 1255 01:12:53,680 --> 01:12:50,240 bring you more stay tuned and go to 1256 01:12:56,260 --> 01:12:53,690 youtube 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